Telecommunications and Internet converged Services and Protocols for Advanced Networking (TISPAN); SDP Interworking between Call/Session Control Protocols (SIP/SDP, RTSP/SDP; etc.) and the Gateway Control Protocol (H.248/SDP)

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ETSI TR 183 046 V3.3.1 (2009-08)
Technical Report


Telecommunications and Internet converged Services and
Protocols for Advanced Networking (TISPAN);
SDP Interworking between Call/Session Control
Protocols (SIP/SDP, RTSP/SDP; etc.)
and the Gateway Control Protocol (H.248/SDP)

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Contents
Intellectual Property Rights . 5
Foreword . 5
1 Scope . 6
1.1 Applicability . 7
2 References . 7
2.1 Normative references . 7
2.2 Informative references . 7
3 Definitions and abbreviations . 9
3.1 Definitions . 9
3.2 Abbreviations . 9
4 Differences between SIP/SDP and H.248/SDP Usage . 10
4.1 SIP usage of SDP . 10
4.1.1 Basic O/A Model (RFC 3264 [i.4]): Initial Offer/Answer Exchange . 11
4.1.1.1 Special-Use IP addresses . 12
4.1.1.1.1 Special-Use IPv4 addresses . 12
4.1.1.1.2 Special-Use IPv6 addresses . 12
4.1.2 Basic O/A Model (RFC 3264): Subsequent Offer/Answer Exchange(s) . 12
4.1.3 Bearer Termination . 12
4.1.4 SDP redundancy between session- and media-level sections . 13
4.1.5 H.248 IP Stream/Termination: Special-Use IP addresses . 13
4.1.5.1 Special-Use IPv4 addresses . 13
4.1.5.2 Special-Use IPv6 addresses . 14
4.1.6 Extended O/A Model: Initial Offer/Answer Exchange . 14
4.2 H.248 Usage of SDP . 14
4.2.1 Local and Remote Descriptor . 14
4.2.2 Wildcarding of SDP fields . 16
5 Summary of SDP Usage Differences and Mapping Rules . 17
5.1 ITU-T Recommendation V.152 mapping rules . 20
5.2 ITU-T Recommendation T.38 mapping rules . 21
5.3 Packetization times in SDP . 22
6 SDP Mapping Examples . 22
6.1 SIP/SDP to H.248/SDP Example . 22
6.2 H.248/SDP to SIP/SDP Example . 24
6.2.1 General Mapping . 24
6.2.2 Specific SDP Lines: Timing ("t=" Line) . 25
6.2.3 Specific SDP Lines: Media Descriptions ("m=" Line) . 25
6.2.3.1 SDP Offer with Zero Media Description . 25
6.2.3.2 SDP Offer with Media Description(s) . 25
6.2.4 Specific SDP Lines: Origin ("o=" Line) . 27
6.3 Network Examples . 28
6.3.1 Pure PES scenario . 28
6.3.2 End-to-end Offer/Answer scenario with a RFC 3264-based SIP interface . 29
6.3.2.1 Overview . 29
6.3.2.2 Two Audio Streams. 29
6.3.2.2.1 H.248 MG does not support G.711 (as Audio Codec) . 29
6.3.2.2.2 H.248 MG does support also G.711 (as Audio Codec) . 33
6.3.3 End-to-end scenario with ES 129 163 call procedures . 33
7 Mapping aspects between SDP versions . 34
7.1 Introduction . 34
7.2 High-level guidelines . 34
7.3 Behaviour in case of "not supported SDP elements" . 34
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Annex A: Special-Use IP Addresses . 35
A.1 Special-Use IPv4 Addresses . 35
A.2 Special-Use IPv6 Addresses . 36
Annex B: Change history . 37
History . 38

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Intellectual Property Rights
IPRs essential or potentially essential to the present document may have been declared to ETSI. The information
pertaining to these essential IPRs, if any, is publicly available for ETSI members and non-members, and can be found
in ETSI SR 000 314: "Intellectual Property Rights (IPRs); Essential, or potentially Essential, IPRs notified to ETSI in
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Pursuant to the ETSI IPR Policy, no investigation, including IPR searches, has been carried out by ETSI. No guarantee
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server) which are, or may be, or may become, essential to the present document.
Foreword
This Technical Report (TR) has been produced by ETSI Technical Committee Telecommunications and Internet
converged Services and Protocols for Advanced Networking (TISPAN).
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1 Scope
The present document specifically describes the differing SDP usage between SIP [i.2] and H.248 [i.3] together with the
implied mapping capability that is performed by the MGC/Call Server.
SDP [i.1] has been widely selected as the protocol of choice within VoIP (or multimedia; MMoIP) to describe the
media requirements of a given session/call/connection. However, the different VoIP control protocols that utilise SDP
each specify differing requirements in their use of SDP. There is therefore a need for a MGC/Call Server to arbitrate
between these variations in the use of SDP and perform the interworking between them.
SDP [i.1] has been widely selected as the protocol of choice within VoIP (or multimedia; MMoIP) to describe the
media requirements of a given session/call/connection. However, the different VoIP control protocols that utilize SDP
each specify differing requirements in their use of SDP. There is therefore a need for a MGC/Call Server to arbitrate
between these variations in the use of SDP and perform the interworking between them. Specifically for the present
document, the differing SDP usage between SIP [i.2] and H.248 [i.3] will be described together with the implied
mapping capability that is performed by the MGC/Call Server.
Any network element (e.g. a MGCF) which handles both H.248/SDP signalling and SIP/SDP signalling provides any
necessary interworking between both signalling protocols (see figure 1). Such interworking comprises in general:
• interworking between SIP and H.248 signalling on message and procedural level (out of scope of the present
document); and
• interworking between the two SDP segments (SDP-SDP interworking; the scope of the present document).
The function providing SDP-to-SDP interworking between SIP/SDP and H.248/SDP signalling is, in the present
document, termed a "SDP Mapper" (see also clause 3.1).
The SDP Mapper performs SDP-SDP interworking capability to reconcile the different uses of SDP between control
protocols H.248 and SIP. In order to perform this role, the SDP Mapper takes into account i) which parts of SDP are
required to be sent on an interface, and ii) which parts of SDP are received on an interface. For a given session/call,
which use the two different control protocols at each end, some SDP parameters may be transited whilst others may not.
The SDP Mapper ensures that the differing requirements with regard to SDP handling at each end are mutually
satisfied.


Network Element handling
both H.248/SDP and SIP/SDP Signalling
Session
Initiation
SIP
Protocol
e.g. SIP Proxy,
SDP Mapper
SIP User Agent,
etc
SIP/SDP
-I
SIP
H.248
Media Gateway
Controller
(MGC)
Gateway
Control
Scope of
Protocol H.248/SDP
this
Technical Report
(text encoding
mode)
H.248
Media Gateway
(MG or MGW)

Figure 1: Scope
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1.1 Applicability
This paper is applicable to any MGC/Call Server that exhibits both a SIP and H.248 interface. The former includes
interfaces to both User Equipments (i.e. SIP User Agents) and peer SIP proxies (like Call Servers). The latter includes
interfaces to any H.248-controlled MGW (e.g. RMGW, AMGW, TMGW, BMGW, etc.).
2 References
References are either specific (identified by date of publication and/or edition number or version number) or
non-specific.
• For a specific reference, subsequent revisions do not apply.
• Non-specific reference may be made only to a complete document or a part thereof and only in the following
cases:
- if it is accepted that it will be possible to use all future changes of the referenced document for the
purposes of the referring document;
- for informative references.
Referenced documents which are not found to be publicly available in the expected location might be found at
http://docbox.etsi.org/Reference.
NOTE: While any hyperlinks included in this clause were valid at the time of publication ETSI cannot guarantee
their long term validity.
2.1 Normative references
Not applicable.
2.2 Informative references
[i.1] IETF RFC 4566 (2006): "SDP: Session Description Protocol".
[i.2] IETF RFC 3261 (2002): "Session Initiation Protocol".
[i.3] ITU-T Recommendation H.248.1 (2005): "Gateway control protocol: Version 3".
[i.4] IETF RFC 3264 (2002): "An Offer/Answer Model with Session Description Protocol (SDP)".
[i.5] IETF RFC 3262 (2002): "Reliability of Provisional Responses in Session Initiation Protocol
(SIP)".
[i.6] IETF RFC 4317 (2005): "Session Description Protocol (SDP) Offer/Answer Examples".
[i.7] IETF RFC 2327 (1998): "SDP: Session Description Protocol".
[i.8] ITU-T Recommendation Q.1912.5 (2004): "Interworking between Session Initiation Protocol
(SIP) and Bearer Independent Call Control protocol or ISDN User Part".
[i.9] ITU-T Recommendation Q. Supplement 45 (09/2003): Technical Report TRQ.2815:
"Requirements for interworking BICC/ISUP network with originating/destination networks based
on Session Initiation Protocol and Session Description Protocol".
[i.10] ITU-T Recommendation T.38 (2005) "Procedures for real-time Group 3 facsimile communication
over IP networks".
[i.11] ITU-T Recommendation V.152 (2005): "Procedures for supporting voice-band data over IP
networks".
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[i.12] ITU-T Recommendation H.248.39 (2006): "Gateway control protocol: H.248 SDP parameter
identification and wildcarding".
[i.13] ITU-T Recommendation H.248.49 (2007): "Gateway control protocol: Session description
protocol RFC and capabilities packages".
[i.14] ITU-T Recommendation G.711: "Pulse code modulation (PCM) of voice frequencies".
[i.15] IETF RFC 3951: "Internet Low Bit Rate Codec (iLBC)".
[i.16] IETF RFC 3952: "Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) Payload Format for internet Low Bit Rate
Codec (iLBC) Speech".
[i.17] ETSI ES 283 002: "Telecommunications and Internet converged Services and Protocols for
Advanced Networking (TISPAN); H.248 Profile for controlling Access and Residential
Gateways".
[i.18] ETSI ES 283 024: "Telecommunications and Internet converged Services and Protocols for
Advanced Networking (TISPAN); H.248 Profile for controlling Trunking Media Gateways;
Protocol specification".
[i.19] ETSI EN 383 001: "Telecommunications and Internet converged Services and Protocols for
Advanced Networking (TISPAN); Interworking between Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) and
Bearer Independent Call Control (BICC) Protocol or ISDN User Part (ISUP) [ITU-T
Recommendation Q.1912.5, modified]".
[i.20] ETSI TR 183 014: "Telecommunications and Internet converged Services and Protocols for
Advanced Networking (TISPAN); PSTN/ISDN Emulation; Development and Verification of
PSTN/ISDN Emulation".
[i.21] IETF RFC 3108: "Conventions for the use of the Session Description Protocol (SDP) for ATM
Bearer Connections".
[i.22] IETF RFC 4733: "RTP Payload for DTMF Digits, Telephony Tones, and Telephony Signals".
[i.23] IETF RFC 2543: "SIP: Session Initiation Protocol".
[i.24] IETF RFC 3550: "RTP: A Transport Protocol for Real-Time Applications".
[i.25] IETF RFC 3551: "RTP Profile for Audio and Video Conferences with Minimal Control".
[i.26] ITU-T Delayed Contribution COM16-D410-E (01/2004), "Proposal to begin work on H.248.1
version 3", (Clause 2.1.1 "SDP compatibility between H.248 and other SDP-based protocols").
[i.27] IETF RFC 3330: "Special-Use IPv4 Addresses".
[i.28] IETF RFC 5156: "Special-Use IPv6 Addresses".
[i.29] IETF draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-capability-negotiation: "SDP Capability Negotiation".
[i.30] IETF draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-media-capabilities: "SDP Media Capability Negotiation".
[i.31] 3GPP TS 29.802: "(G)MSC-S - (G)MSC-S Nc Interface based on the SIP-I protocol".
[i.32] IETF RFC 4291: "IP Version 6 Addressing Architecture".
[i.33] IETF RFC 4293: "Management Information Base for the Internet Protocol (IP)".
[i.34] IETF RFC 3849: "IPv6 Address Prefix Reserved for Documentation".
[i.35] IETF RFC 3056: "Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4 Clouds".
[i.36] IETF RFC 4380: "Teredo: Tunneling IPv6 over UDP through Network Address
Translations (NATs)".
[i.37] IETF RFC 1897: "IPv6 Testing Address Allocation".
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[i.38] IETF RFC 3701: "6bone (IPv6 Testing Address Allocation) Phaseout".
[i.39] IETF RFC 4843: "An IPv6 Prefix for Overlay Routable Cryptographic Hash Identifiers
(ORCHID)".
[i.40] IETF RFC 4773: "Administration of the IANA Special Purpose IPv6 Address Block".
[i.41] IETF RFC 3232: "Assigned Numbers: RFC 1700 is Replaced by an On-line Database".
[i.42] IETF RFC 1918: "Address Allocation for Private Internets".
[i.43] IETF RFC 1797: "Class A Subnet Experiment".
[i.44] IETF RFC 3068: "An Anycast Prefix for 6to4 Relay Routers".
[i.45] IETF RFC 3171: "IANA Guidelines for IPv4 Multicast Address Assignments".
3 Definitions and abbreviations
3.1 Definitions
For the purposes of the present document, the following terms and definitions apply:
SDP Mapper: function for SDP-to-SDP interworking between two different, SDP-using signalling protocols
NOTE: One of these signalling protocols is the Gateway Control Protocol according H.248 in text-encoding
mode. The other signalling protocol is SIP in the scope of the present document.
SIP-I: use of SIP with a message body that encapsulates ISUP information
NOTE: Definition according to ITU-T Recommendation Q.1912.5 [i.8] and clause 4.8 in ITU-T Supplement 45
to Q-series Recommendations (TRQ.2815) [i.9].
3.2 Abbreviations
For the purposes of the present document, the following abbreviations apply:
ALN Analog Line
AMGW Access Media GateWay
B2BIH Back-to-Back IP Host (mode)
BCF Bearer Control Function
BGF Border Gateway Function
BMGW Border Media GateWay
DNS Domain Name System
GCP Gateway Control Protocol
GW GateWay
IP Internet Protocol
IPR IP router (mode)
ISDN Integrated Services Digital Network
ISUP ISDN User Part
LCD Local Control Descriptor
LD Local Descriptor (H.248)
MG, MGW Media GateWay
MGC Media Gateway Controller
MGCF MGC Function
MIME Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions
MMoIP MultiMedia-over-IP
PCMA Pulse Code Modulation A-law
PSTN Public Switched Telephone Network
RD Remote Descriptor (H.248)
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RFC Request For Comments (IETF)
RMGW Residential Media GateWay
RTCP RTP Control Protocol
RTP Real-time Transport Protocol
SDP Session Description Protocol
SIP Session Initiation Protocol
SIP-I SIP with the MIME encoding of ISUP
TCP Transmission Control Protocol
TDM Time Division Multiplexing
TGW Trunking GateWay
TMGW Trunking Media GateWay
TMR Transmission Medium Requiremenrt
UA User Agent
UDP User Datagram Protocol
USI User Service Information
VoIP Voice-over-IP
4 Differences between SIP/SDP and H.248/SDP
Usage
Clause 4.1 describes the SDP usage in SIP. Clause 4.2 describes the SDP usage in H.248. Clause 4.3 summarizes the
differences between them.
4.1 SIP usage of SDP
SIP uses SDP for describing multimedia sessions RFC 3261 [i.2].
In terms of bearer control and usage of SDP, SIP has defined a basic Offer/Answer model that is documented in
RFC 3264 [i.4] and illustrated in RFC 4317 [i.6]. The Offer will contain zero or more media streams. The basic
Offer/Answer model is extended by an enhanced Offer/Answer model according IETF drafts [i.29] and [i.30].
The "offer-answer" mechanism mandates that when a block SDP is sent in one direction ("the Offer"), a corresponding
block of SDP should be returned to the originator ("the Answer"). It is not possible to make a new "Offer" until an
"Answer" is received. However, within a given session, there is no limit to the number of Offer/Answer exchanges that
may occur (i.e. mid-session bearer change).
SIP does not permit the SDP block to contain more than one session description, although multiple media streams may
be contained in each session description (with the implication that all streams are required simultaneously), and multiple
codecs may be contained within each media stream (with the implication that one of the codecs is selected for use).
When SDP is sent in SIP, the following SDP lines are mandatory:
• Protocol Version line:
Always set to "v=0".
NOTE: This value is recommended by RFCs on SDP, i.e. the "v=" line is not used for discrimination between the
"SDP versions" as defined by RFC 4566 [i.1] and its predecessor RFC 2327 [i.7]. Both RFCs defining
version 0 of the SDP.
• Session Name line:
This can be defaulted to "s=" or else hold a string as defined in RFC 4566 [i.1].
• Timing line:
This can be defaulted to "t=0 0".
• Origin line:
This will be set to "o= IN IP4 (or IP6) (or
)".
The session number can be zero and the session version initialized to zero. The IP4 (or IP6) address can be the
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same as that appearing on the Connection Line.
The can default to "-".
• Connection Data line:
Holds the network type, address type and connection address. Set to "c=IN IP4 " or "c=IN IP6
".
• If there is at least one media stream, the following line is also mandatory:
• Media Description line:
Holds the media type, port number and the "codec types" (defined by transport protocol "proto" and media
format "fmt" fields).
4.1.1 Basic O/A Model (RFC 3264 [i.4]): Initial Offer/Answer Exchange
SIP permits the initial Offer/Answer exchange within a SIP session to be realized via a number of SIP message
combinations, dependent on when the necessary SDP information becomes available to be passed across the SIP
interface. This is illustrated in table 1.
Table 1: Offer/Answer scenarios in SIP
SDP OFFER in: SDP ANSWER in: Comments / Additional Information
INVITE 180/183 and 200 OK The ANSWER is repeated in the 200 OK if 100rel
not being used.
INVITE 200 OK Late terminating SDP.
180 / 183 PRACK This is late originating SDP.
RFC 3262 [i.5] mandates that the ANSWER to a
18X OFFER will be included in the PRACK.
200 OK ACK Late SDP at both originating and terminating
ends.

RFC 3264 [i.4] mandates that the same SDP Timing (t=) line will appear in both SDP blocks (i.e. the Offer and
corresponding Answer) and that there will be identical numbers of Media Description (m=) lines in both SDP blocks
(the Offer and corresponding Answer). The implication of the latter is there will be a mechanism by which a given
media line can be rejected/disabled. This is achieved by one or more of the following techniques:
• via the use of the Media Attribute line "a=inactive" to indicate that the related SDP is not sending/receiving;
• via the use of a null IP address of 0.0.0.0 (see notes 1 and 2; see also Annex A concerning a different semantic
in SIP/SIP-I) in the Connection Data (c=) line;
NOTE 1: The initial specification for SIP version SIP/2.0 defined that placing media on hold was accomplished by
setting the connection address to 0.0.0.0 (see RFC 2543 [i.23], paragraph B.5). Its usage for putting a call
or media on hold is no longer recommended for SIP/2.0 (see RFC 3261 [i.2]), since it does not allow for
RTCP to be used with held streams, does not work with IPv6, and breaks with connection-oriented media
(see RFC 3264 [i.4], paragraph 8.4).
But there is one applicability statement in the context of Offer/Answer procedures (see RFC 3264 [i.4]).
However, it can be useful in an initial Offer when the offerer knows it wants to use a particular set of
media streams and formats, but does not know the addresses and ports at the time of the Offer.
Of course, when used, the port number is NOT zero, which would specify that the stream has been
disabled (see note 3). An SIP user agent will be capable of receiving SDP with a connection address of
0.0.0.0, in which case it means that neither RTP nor RTCP should be sent to the peer.
NOTE 2: IPv6 is different. There is no specification for the correspondent usage of the IPv6 connection address
value 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0 (or the abbreviated form).
• via the use of a null (zero) port number the Media Description (m=) line (see note 3).
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NOTE 3: The usage of a null port number within SDP was not yet standardized in the past (before RFC 3264 [i.4]).
There does not exist any normative or informative text, neither from ETSI nor IETF. It is recognized that
this mechanism has been already implemented, but the usage of the null port is not recommended for
future implementations, although they still have to accept the null port from legacy implementations.
It has also to be noted that the "null port" relates to the well-known port category in case of UDP and
TCP, which is still reserved by IANA (http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers), i.e. not allowed
to be used for these transport protocols.
4.1.1.1 Special-Use IP addresses
4.1.1.1.1 Special-Use IPv4 addresses
RFC 3330 [i.27] defines special-use IPv4 addresses. Special-use IPv4 addresses may be used in SIP, but the
applicability is limited (see clause A.1).
4.1.1.1.2 Special-Use IPv6 addresses
RFC 5156 [i.28] defines special-use IPv6 addresses. Special-use I
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