SIST EN ISO 15112:2014
(Main)Natural gas - Energy determination (ISO 15112:2011)
Natural gas - Energy determination (ISO 15112:2011)
EN-ISO 15112 provides the means for energy determination of natural gas by measurement or by calculation, and describes the related techniques and measures that are necessary to take. The calculation of thermal energy is based on the separate measurement of the quantity, either by mass or by volume, of gas transferred and its measured or calculated calorific value. The general means of calculating uncertainties are also given. Only systems currently in use are described.This International Standard applies to any gas-measuring station from domestic to very large high-pressure transmission. New techniques are not excluded provided their proven performance is equivalent to, or better than, that of those techniques referred to in this International Standard. Gas-measuring systems are not the subject of this International Standard.
Erdgas - Bestimmung von Energiemengen (ISO 15112:2011)
Diese Internationale Norm sieht Maßnahmen vor zur Ermittlung von Energiemengen von Erdgas durch Messung oder Berechnung und beschreibt die dabei erforderlichen anzuwendenden Techniken und Maßnahmen. Die Berechnung von thermischer Energie beruht auf der gesonderten Messung der Gasmenge, entweder als Masse oder Volumen des (an Schnittstellen) übertragenen Gases und auf seinem gemessenen oder berechneten Brennwert. Allgemeine Maßnahmen zur Berechnung von Unsicherheiten sind ebenfalls angegeben.
Ausschließlich derzeit verwendete Systeme werden beschrieben.
ANMERKUNG Der Einsatz derartiger Systeme in kommerziellem oder offiziellem Handel erfordert möglicherweise die Zulassung durch nationale Zulassungsbehörden; und die Übereinstimmung mit gesetzlichen Vorschriften ist erforderlich
Diese Internationale Norm gilt für alle Gasmessanlagen von Endkunden im privaten Bereich bis hin zu sehr großen Hochdrucktransportanlagen.
Neue Verfahren sind nicht ausgeschlossen, sofern ihre nachgewiesene Leistungsfähigkeit vergleichbar oder besser als jene Techniken ist, auf die in dieser Internationalen Norm Bezug genommen wird.
Gasmesssysteme sind nicht Gegenstand dieser Internationalen Norm.
Gaz naturel - Détermination de l'énergie (ISO 15112:2011)
L'ISO 15112:2011 fournit les moyens permettant de déterminer l'énergie du gaz naturel par mesurage ou par calcul, et décrit les techniques associées et les mesures nécessaires à prendre. Le calcul de l'énergie thermique est fondé sur le mesurage séparé de la quantité de gaz transféré, exprimée en masse ou en volume, et sur son pouvoir calorifique mesuré ou calculé. Elle fournit également les moyens généraux permettant le calcul des incertitudes.
Elle ne décrit que les systèmes couramment utilisés.
L'ISO 15112:2011 s'applique à tout poste de comptage de gaz, de la distribution intérieure au transport à de très haute pression.
Le recours à de nouvelles techniques est admis sous réserve de performances éprouvées équivalentes ou supérieures aux techniques citées en référence dans l'ISO 15112:2011.
Les systèmes de comptage de gaz ne sont pas abordés dans l'ISO 15112:2011.
Zemeljski plin - Določevanje energijske vrednosti (ISO 15112:2011)
Standard EN-ISO 15112 zagotavlja sredstva za določevanje energijske vrednosti zemeljskega plina z merjenjem ali izračunom ter opisuje s tem povezane tehnike in ukrepe, ki jih je potrebno sprejeti. Izračun toplotne energije temelji na ločenem merjenju količine (masa ali prostornina) prenesenega plina in njegove izmerjene ali izračunane kalorične vrednosti. Podana so tudi splošna sredstva za izračun negotovosti. Opisani so samo sistemi, ki se trenutno uporabljajo. Ta mednarodni standard se uporablja za vse merilne postaje za plin od gospodinjskih do velikih postaj z visokotlačnih prenosom. Nove tehnike niso izključene, če je dokazano, da delujejo enako dobro ali bolje kot tiste, opisane v tem mednarodnem standardu. Sistemi za merjenje plinov niso predmet tega mednarodnega standarda.
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Natural gas - Energy determination (ISO 15112:2011)
Erdgas - Bestimmung von Energiemengen (ISO 15112:2011)
Gaz naturel - Détermination de l'énergie (ISO 15112:2011)
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EN ISO 15112
NORME EUROPÉENNE
EUROPÄISCHE NORM
March 2014
ICS 75.060
English Version
Natural gas - Energy determination (ISO 15112:2011)
Gaz naturel - Détermination de l'énergie (ISO 15112:2011) Erdgas - Bestimmung von Energiemengen (ISO
15112:2011)
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Foreword .3
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Foreword
The text of ISO 15112:2011 has been prepared by Technical Committee ISO/TC 193 “Natural gas” of the
International Organization for Standardization (ISO) and has been taken over as EN ISO 15112:2014.
This European Standard shall be given the status of a national standard, either by publication of an identical
text or by endorsement, at the latest by September 2014, and conflicting national standards shall be
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Attention is drawn to the possibility that some of the elements of this document may be the subject of patent
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Endorsement notice
The text of ISO 15112:2011 has been approved by CEN as EN ISO 15112:2014 without any modification.
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INTERNATIONAL ISO
STANDARD 15112
Second edition
2011-07-15
Natural gas — Energy determination
Gaz naturel — Détermination de l'énergie
Reference number
ISO 15112:2011(E)
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Foreword . v
Introduction . vi
1 Scope . 1
2 Normative references . 1
3 Terms and definitions . 1
4 Symbols and units . 6
5 General principles . 6
6 Gas measurement . 8
6.1 General . 8
6.2 Volume measurement . 9
6.3 Calorific value measurement . 9
6.4 Volume conversion . 10
6.5 Calibration . 11
6.6 Data storage and transmission . 11
7 Energy determination . 12
7.1 Interfaces . 12
7.2 Methods of energy determination . 14
8 Strategy and procedures . 16
8.1 General . 16
8.2 Strategies for energy determination . 18
8.3 Plausibility checks . 22
9 Assignment methods . 23
9.1 Fixed assignment . 23
9.2 Variable assignment . 25
9.3 Determination of the representative calorific value . 27
10 Calculation of energy quantities . 28
10.1 General equations for energy . 28
10.2 Calculation of averaged values — Calculation from average calorific values and
cumulative volumes . 30
10.3 Volume and volume-to-mass conversions . 30
10.4 Energy determination on the basis of declared calorific values . 30
11 Accuracy on calculated energy . 31
11.1 Accuracy . 31
11.2 Calculation of uncertainty . 31
11.3 Bias . 32
12 Quality control and quality assurance . 33
12.1 General . 33
12.2 Check of the course of the measuring data. 34
12.3 Traceability . 34
12.4 Substitute values . 34
Annex A (informative) Main instruments and energy-determination techniques . 36
Annex B (informative) Different possible patterns in the change of the calorific value . 41
Annex C (informative) Volume conversion and volume-to-mass conversion . 44
Annex D (informative) Incremental energy determination . 45
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Annex E (informative) Practical examples for volume conversion and energy quantity calculation .47
Annex F (informative) Practical examples for averaging the calorific value due to different
delivery situations .51
Annex G (informative) Ways of determining substitute values .56
Annex H (informative) Plausibility check graphical example .58
Annex I (informative) Uncorrected data, bias correction and final result graphical example .59
Annex J (informative) Single-reservoir calorific value determination .61
Bibliography .62
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Foreword
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rights. ISO shall not be held responsible for identifying any or all such patent rights.
ISO 15112 was prepared by Technical Committee ISO/TC 193, Natural gas.
This second edition cancels and replaces the first edition (ISO 15112:2007), which has been technically
revised.
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Introduction
Since the early 1800s, it has been general practice for manufactured gas and, subsequently, natural gas to be
bought and sold on a volumetric basis. Much time and effort has therefore been devoted to developing the
means of flow measurement.
Because of the increasing value of energy and variations in gas quality, billing on the basis of thermal energy
has now become essential between contracting partners and the need to determine calorific value by
measurement or calculation has led to a number of techniques. However, the manner in which calorific value
data are applied to flow volume data to produce the energy content of a given volume of natural gas has been
far from a standardized procedure.
Energy determination is frequently a necessary factor wherever and whenever natural gas is metered, from
production and processing operations through to end-user consumption. This International Standard has been
developed to cover aspects related to production/transmission and distribution/end user. It provides guidance
to users of how energy units for billing purposes are derived, based on either measurement or calculation or
both, to increase confidence in results for contracting partners.
Other standards relating to natural gas, flow measurement, calorific value measurement, calculation
procedures and data handling with regard to gas production, transmission and distribution involving purchase,
sales or commodity transfer of natural gas can be relevant to this International Standard.
This International Standard contains ten informative annexes.
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Natural gas — Energy determination
1 Scope
This International Standard provides the means for energy determination of natural gas by measurement or by
calculation, and describes the related techniques and measures that are necessary to take. The calculation of
thermal energy is based on the separate measurement of the quantity, either by mass or by volume, of gas
transferred and its measured or calculated calorific value. The general means of calculating uncertainties are
also given.
Only systems currently in use are described.
NOTE Use of such systems in commercial or official trade can require the approval of national authorization agencies,
and compliance with legal regulations is required.
This International Standard applies to any gas-measuring station from domestic to very large high-pressure
transmission.
New techniques are not excluded, provided their proven performance is equivalent to, or better than, that of
those techniques referred to in this International Standard.
Gas-measuring systems are not the subject of this International Standard.
2 Normative references
The following referenced documents are indispensable for the application of this document. For dated
references, only the edition cited applies. For undated references, the latest edition of the referenced
document (including any amendments) applies.
ISO 6976, Natural gas — Calculation of calorific values, density, relative density and Wobbe index from
composition
3 Terms and definitions
For the purposes of this document, the following terms and definitions apply.
3.1
accuracy of measurement
closeness of the agreement between a measurement result and a true value of the measurand
[ISO 14532:2001]
3.2
adjustment
of a measuring instrument operation of bringing a measuring instrument into a state of performance suitable
for its use
NOTE Adjustment may be automatic, semi-automatic or manual.
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3.3
assignment method
energy determination method to derive a calorific value to be applied to the gas passing specified interfaces
having only volume measurements
3.4
availability
probability, at any time, that the measuring system, or a measuring instrument forming part of the measuring
system, is functioning according to specifications
[EN 1776:1998]
3.5
bias
systematic difference between the true energy and the actual energy determined of the gas passing a
gas-measuring station
3.6
calibration
set of operations that establish, under specified conditions, the relationship between values of quantities
indicated by a measuring instrument or measuring system, or values represented by a material measure or a
reference material, and the corresponding values obtained using working standards
[ISO 14532:2001, 2.5.2.2]
3.7
superior calorific value
energy released as heat by the complete combustion in air of a specified quantity of gas, in such a way that
the pressure, p , at which the reaction takes place remains constant, and all the products of combustion are
1
returned to the same specified temperature, T , as that of the reactants, all of these products being in the
1
gaseous state except for water formed by combustion, which is condensed to the liquid state at T
1
[ISO 14532:2001, 2.6.4.1]
3.8
inferior calorific value
energy released as heat by the complete combustion in air of a specified quantity of gas, in such a way that
the pressure, p , at which the reaction takes place remains constant, and all the products of combustion are
1
returned to the same specified temperature, T , as that of the reactants, all of these products being in the
1
gaseous state
[ISO 14532:2001, 2.6.4.2]
3.9
calorific value station
installation comprising the equipment necessary for the determination of the calorific value of the natural gas
in the pipeline
3.10
adjusted calorific value
calorific value measured at a measuring station compensated for the time taken for the gas to travel to the
respective volume-measuring station
3.11
corrected calorific value
result of correcting a measurement to compensate for systematic error
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3.12
declared calorific value
calorific value that is notified in advance of its application to interfaces for the purpose of energy determination
3.13
representative calorific value
calorific value which is accepted to sufficiently approximate the actual calorific value at an interface
3.14
charging area
set of interfaces where the same method of energy determination is used
3.15
conversion
determination of the volume under reference conditions from the volume under operating conditions
3.16
correction
value added algebraically to the uncorrected result of a measurement to compensate for systematic error
NOTE 1 The correction is equal to the negative of the estimated systematic error.
NOTE 2 Since the systematic error cannot be known perfectly, the correction cannot be complete (see Annex I).
3.17
correction factor
numerical factor by which the uncorrected result of a measurement is multiplied to compensate for a
systematic-error object
NOTE Since the systematic error cannot be known perfectly, the correction cannot be complete (see Annex I).
3.18
determination
set of operations that are carried out on an object in order to provide qualitative or quantitative information
about this object
NOTE In this International Standard, the term “determination” is only used quantitatively.
3.19
direct measurement
measurement of a property from quantities which, in principle, define the property
NOTE For example, the determination of the calorific value of a gas using the thermoelectric measurement of the
energy released in the form of heat during the combustion of a known amount of gas.
[ISO 14532:2001, 2.2.1.2]
3.20
energy
product of gas quantity (mass or volume) and calorific value under given conditions
NOTE 1 The energy may be called energy amount.
NOTE 2 Energy is usually expressed in units of megajoules.
3.21
energy determination
quantitative determination of the amount of energy of a quantity of gas based either on measurement or
calculation using measured values
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3.22
energy flow rate
energy of gas passing through a cross-section divided by time
NOTE Energy flow rate is usually expressed in units of megajoules per second.
3.23
fixed assignment
application without modification of the calorific value measured at one specific calorific-value-measuring
station, or the calorific value declared in advance, to the gas passing one, or more, interfaces
3.24
gas transporter
company that conveys gas from one place to another through pipelines
3.25
grid simulation
calculation of a set of pressures and flow rates in a pipeline or a grid on the basis of given topology data,
values of the flow rates at the inlet and outlet points and of the pressure and temperature at various points of
the pipeline(s) by means of a mathematical model
NOTE The objective of any grid simulation is to yield information about a future state of gas pressures and flows. The
result of the simulation is an estimation of the state of the gas flow.
3.26
interface
place on a pipe used for the transportation or supply of gas at which there is a change of ownership or
physical custody of gas
NOTE Generally, an interface has an associated measuring station.
3.27
local distribution company
LDC
company that delivers gas to industrial, commercial and/or residential customers
3.28
measuring station
installation comprising all the equipment, including the inlet and outlet pipework as far as the isolating valves
and structure within which the equipment is housed, used for gas measurement in custody transfer
[EN 1776:1998]
3.29
measuring system
complete set of measuring instruments and auxiliary equipment assembled to carry out specified
measurements
NOTE Adapted from ISO/IEC Guide 99:2007, 3.2.
3.30
measuring instrument
device intended to be used for making measurements, alone or in conjunction with one or more
supplementary devices
[ISO/IEC Guide 99:2007, 3.1]
3.31
plausibility
property of a value to be within reasonable limits
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3.32
producer
company that extracts raw natural gas from reservoirs which, after processing and (fiscal) measurement, is
supplied as dry natural gas to the transportation system
3.33
regional distributor
company that delivers gas to local distribution companies and/or industrial, commercial or residential
customers
3.34
residential customer
person whose occupied premises are supplied with gas, wholly or in part, such gas not being used for any
business purpose, commercial or industrial
3.35
systematic error
mean that would result from an infinitive number of measurements of the same measurand carried out under
repeatability conditions minus a true value of the measurand
3.36
traceability
property of the result of a measurement or the value of a standard whereby it can be related to stated
references, usually national or International Standards, through an unbroken chain of comparisons all having
stated uncertainties
NOTE This chain of comparisons is called a traceability chain.
3.37
uncertainty
parameter, associated with the result of a measurement, that characterizes the dispersion of the values that
could reasonably be attributed to the measurand
3.38
variable assignment
application of a calorific value for an assignment procedure based on measurement(s) at calorific value
station(s) to the gas passing one, or more, interfaces
NOTE That applied calorific value may take into account the time taken for the gas to travel from the calorific value
station to the respective volume-measuring stations and other factors, to derive an average calorific value for a network, a
state reconstruction of the variation of calorific values through a network, etc.
3.39
zero floating point
position in a grid conveying gas where there is a boundary with different gas qualities on either side
3.40
non-plausible data
measurement data that are obviously wrong taking into account the measurement situation at a measuring
station and the gas flow situation
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4 Symbols and units
Symbol Meaning SI unit USC unit
E energy MJ kWh
e energy flow rate MJ/s kWh/h
3 3
H calorific value
MJ/m ; MJ/kg kWh/m
NOTE 1 Where the calorific value is in megajoules per cubic metre and the gas volume is in cubic metres, or where the
calorific value is in megajoules per kilogram and the gas mass is in kilograms, then the calculated energy is in megajoules.
Where the calorific value is in kilowatt-hours per cubic metre and the gas volume is in cubic metres, or where the calorific
value is in kilowatt-hours per kilogram and the gas mass is in kilograms, then the calculated energy is in kilowatt-hours.
To convert the number of megajoules to the number of kilowatt-hours, divide the number by 3,6.
M mass kg t
p pressure (absolute) Pa, kPa bar, mbar
3
Q quantity of gas t
m , kg
NOTE 2 When the quantity is given in cubic metres, it is necessary that it should be qualified by temperature and
pressure.
3 3
q volume flow rate
m /h, m /s
v
q mass flow rate kg/s, kg/h
m
T temperature (absolute) K
t time s, h, d s, h, d
3
V volume (gas)
m
Z compression factor
3
density
kg/m
temperature °C °F
Subscripts
i inferior calorific value
j number of time intervals
n normal reference conditions (273,15 K; 101,325 kPa)
r ISO-recommended standard reference conditions (288,15 K; 101,325 kPa)
s superior calorific value
5 General principles
The quantity of energy, E, contained in a given quantity of gas, Q, is given by the multiplication of the calorific
value, H, by the respective quantity of gas.
Energy may be either measured directly (see Figure 1) or calculated from the quantity and the calorific value
of the gas (see Figure 2).
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Figure 1 — Energy-measurement scheme
Figure 2 — Energy-determination scheme
Generally, the quantity of gas is expressed as a volume and the calorific value is on a volumetric basis. In
order to achieve accurate determinations of energy, it is necessary that both the gas volume and calorific
value be under the same reference conditions. The determination of energy is based either on the
accumulation over time of calculation results from consecutive sets of calorific values and the concurrent flow
rate values, or on the multiplication of the total volume and the representative (assigned) calorific value for
that period.
Especially in situations of varying calorific values and when flow rates are determined at a place different from
that of the (repre
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